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Thinking long-term, what land uses would you not want to see at Bays Precinct?
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Comment 1 30 Jun 2009, 4:53 PM
I would really like to see NO more cheap high density housing developments in the area. Particularly in White Bay. THe area is already crowded, and being a peninsula with no through traffic, this leads to congestion and other problems.
Comment 1.1 30 Jun 2009, 5:27 PM
Unfortunately the Balmain NIMBYs cannot see that this issue is not all about them. They'd like to be directing the changes lest there be any negative impact on their property prices. Perhaps they should have lobbied the State Government before it sold off the Hungry Mile? Sydney Harbour and in particular White Bay and Balmain have a long maritime history. It would be very short sighted not to preserve this.
Comment 1.2 1 Jul 2009, 5:10 PM
I completely agree with you. NO more high density housing!, please! As a long term resident of the Balmain peninsula, I've watched the development of this area over many years. It's a wonder the whole peninsula hasn't sunk into the harbour with the sheer numbers of people and cars using this piece of land daily. WHAT WE DESPERATELY NEED is INFRASTRUCTURE and facilities for the dense population already living here, not more people! We have one tiny Woolworths to service everyone. And those of us not brave enough to face the shopping trolley and car park rage there, get in more…
Comment 1.2.1 13 Jul 2009, 6:02 PM
Susie, I agree with you. Would be great to have retail facilities for the whole area (not just the Balmain peninsula). Again this means that we need access to improve.
Comment 1.2.2 20 Jul 2009, 10:57 PM
Susie, the population density has NOT increased. There were more people living here in the 50s than there are now. This is true, check the census figures.
People per household has declined. What HAS increased is cars. Every single person with a driving licence now owns a car, often two. And they drive everywhere!
That's why it seems so crowded
Comment 1.3 20 Jul 2009, 10:49 PM
JJP, what does the word "cheap" mean?
The residential developments at Jackson Landing are hardly "cheap". Nor are the properties at Balmain Shores, Balmain Cove, Birkenhead etc.
I think you are using the word to describe a type of person. Fair enough, we all have our prejudices. But the city is for ALL of us, all classes and races. Not everyone can afford Balmain real estate prices, thats true. Does that mean they should be denied the opportunity to live close to their work, retail and recreational opportunities?
All those ticks on your comment suggest to me that this is what this forum is all about.
Rich people talking to each other. And congratulating themselves on being able to exclude those they don't like.
Comment 2 30 Jun 2009, 9:15 PM
It would be a tragedy if we just got another park and cycle pathway – like the one dog walkers and bike riders are squabbling about over at Glebe. Deep water harbours like this are rare so close to the CBD and tourist precincts. It should be used for maritime activity of some sort. Sadly, I guess the real working harbour is a lost cause, but it is environmentally crazy to have to truck our cars and cargo back to Sydney from Port Kembla and other far away ports.
Please, please keep the big ships coming in – even if only cruise boats. They are majestic to watch and stirring to the soul.
Comment 2.1 4 Jul 2009, 8:06 PM
What do you mean truck our cars and cargo back to Sydney? The cargo terminals and car distribution points are nowhere near Sydney. The one thing that the government can be commended on is moving these behmoth industries as far away from the harbour as possible - good riddence to them. Hopefully the future of Cruise Ships will be at Garden Island so they don't have to come anywhere near our nice quiet bay precinct.
Comment 3 4 Jul 2009, 8:16 AM
If there is an "Industrial Heritage" reason to preserve the brickwork shell of the White Bay Power Station then at least lets get rid of those two unsightly metal stacks and the rusted on corrugated shacks and the old coal loading ramp before they fall down and lets change the building’s profile to a better looking outline to look at. When I open the blinds in my bedroom every morning I look out to an eyesore - if it's not Heritage listed then let’s knock it down tomorrow!
The building or area could be converted into a multi-story “Park & Ride” more…
Comment 4 4 Jul 2009, 7:37 PM
Sometime in the future, when people really advance, the Harbour will be a marine park. There will be no motorised vessels, just passive powered craft ambling between the mangroves, schools of fish, pelicans and a myriad of water birds. There will be no cars. There will be no polluting industry, just community vegetable gardens. Kangaroos and wallabies will graze on the acres of parkland (dogs will be a thing of the past). Fresh water will be clean and free, as it should, and children will again run barefoot without a care and life will be good for all (It did say to "think long term")
Comment 4.1 5 Jul 2009, 2:33 PM
I'm not sure kangaroos fenced in around the city is a great vision. or road kill if they where not fenced in, although it would make for good shooting once the numbers became to high and a cul was required, although they would enjoy the vegie patches. Callum park would be a better option for community farming/ education or children, plenty of oval etc as well for sporting inc Tigers stadium.
Surely there is enough space to accomadate most ideas and dog park, I've witnessed how these bring people together and break down boundaries.
A well built and serviced area with amble amenaties for residence, tourist etc i.e. sharing would be wonderful.
A giant car park not so good.....a bit of a waste.
Comment 4.2 8 Jul 2009, 4:26 PM
What elitist, reactionary piffle!
Your White Bay paradise will support you and few hundred other people MattB. No doubt in that "long term" you will have thought of some way of keeping the rest of the starving masses out.
A big fence with machine guns? Best keep some dogs mister, some big dobermans! No that's too short term... You know what the final solution is don't you mister!
Comment 5 6 Jul 2009, 3:25 PM
I would not want to see any of the following:
- another Darling Harbour tourist trap
- large scale commerical/business premises
- masses of shoddy high-rise residential tenements
- a cruise ship terminal - I can't think of anything more stupid than putting a cruise ship terminal this far from the CBD, when there is a perfectly good spot in Barangaroo, that was part of the original plan
I think it's inevitable it will be a mix of residential, parkland and commercial activity - the question is what mix?
Comment 5.1 6 Jul 2009, 7:32 PM
I hate the idea of the large scale shopping centre and tower at Rozelle. Like many other people I signed petitions to try to stop it happening, but like so many decisions being made lately by the State Government ie: the Iron Cove Bridge, we were ignored. It would be much better to have a shopping centre in the Power Station building instead, with a parking station attached and as said before, it wouldn't bother as many people as the one planned for the Tigers' Tower would. Those little streets full of houses around the Tigers' building are going to be plagued with cars. I feel so sorry for anyone living in the street behind Tigers. If the shops etc planned for the Tigers' Tower were built in the Bay Precinct and not at Tigers it would solve so many issues to my way of thinking. A shopping centre at the bay precinct could be carefully planned, with road infrastructure purpose-built. I don't mean a huge shopping centre, but a multi-purpose development with a good mix of commercial activity and non-commercial ie: leisure spaces, but I repeat NO RESIDENTIAL! We have enough people already on the Peninsula.
Comment 6 8 Jul 2009, 4:33 PM
No more barren treeless parks, no more self serving demands for water views from already rich property owners, no more empty tracks for cyclists, no political cowardice!
Comment 6.1 13 Jul 2009, 7:04 PM
There is a lot of No's there Jem. Do you actually have anything positive to say?
Comment 6.1.1 20 Jul 2009, 11:05 PM
Hey MattB, the topic of THIS forum is what you DON'T like. Jem is spot on
But maybe she shouldn't have called you a reactionary. Ouch, that would have hurt...
Comment 7 14 Jul 2009, 8:05 PM
The worst possible outcome would be another Darling Harbour type retail and tourist development. If there is to be further residential development, it should be characterised by innovative and sustainable design not the ugly concentration of cheap apartment blocks we have seen so much of in recent years. Sydney desperately needs more open space and if more foreshore bushland can be recreated future generations will be forever grateful! I am also a big supporter of retaining a working harbour - it is very much part of the character of Sydney. Recreational boating should be encouraged with preference to rowing, paddling and sailing over motor boats. Large marinas for power boats should definitely not be a part of this area. I would also like to encourage a space for artists and creative people to live, work and sell their products in this area and an area for young people to meet and hang out.
Comment 7.1 14 Jul 2009, 11:10 PM
I agree. Please keep the big developers out of this area unless they promise to put in architecturally-sensitive designs. Some of the waterfront developments done in Sydney in recent times are absolutely hideous - Rhodes and Meadowbank are prime examples. Looks like communist Russia-style apartments from far off. Don't repeat that.
Comment 8 15 Jul 2009, 10:44 PM
i would hate to see the old power station be nocked down. i Think it could be turned into a shopping center with a real difference, you can take the design into such avant-garde territory simply because of the unique nature of the building, we could end up with something that is both functional, serves the community and acts as a tourist type thing to see.
Or maybe it could even be a government run space for artist to create and display work and musicians to write and preform, why not give our youth a place to gather that isn't about drugs, drinking, gambling or sport, but about creativity and invention.
i think the biggest tragedy would be if this large space became just another park or residential development, lets get creative in australia and do something new and daring!
Comment 9 19 Jul 2009, 9:27 PM
I really, really, don't want to see the area used to increase road space. We all know that plans for the area include the M4 east extension, and truck routes to the airport. Allocating space to more roads is now known to generate more congestion than it solves, and this land is too valuable to hand over to cars. However much people think that roads are the most revenue generating thing in a city, they are not, it is uses that grow human capital that have the most value, like quality housing, shared spaces and stuff that brings opportunities to live locally.
Comment 10 19 Jul 2009, 9:43 PM
The Cooks River to Iron Cove Bay Greenway project along the Hawthorne canal needs to get built now, and the Bays Precinct offers an amazing opportunity to join it to the Anzac Bridge path.
This would mean you could walk and cycle from thousands of homes in the inner west to the city and other suburbs in a safe, traffic free, level, green, environment if it was enacted fully.
Comment 11 20 Jul 2009, 11:13 PM
No more empty parks, the land is too valuable to waste on dogs and a tiny minority of cyclists – who don't respect anyones wishes except their own.
I've posted elsewhere that I'd like a working, deep water harbour and/or residential and commercial development, somewhere that my children could go on living when they leave home . The way things are going, they will never be able to afford it around here. Housing is so scarce and hence expensive.
Some of the people who have commented here would prefer to keep it that way. That's very selfish and short sighted.
And I agree with some of the other postings, this land should NOT be used to win the next election.
That's what happened at Ballast Point and Callan Park. Millions wasted in lost opportunities. And it hasn't worked either, Labor WILL lose this seat.
Comment 12 23 Jul 2009, 12:30 PM
Where is the old Glebe Island Bridge? It has been deliberately brushed out of the aerial photo.Put it back! This shows the lack of honesty and integrity of the HFA. The Bridge is an engineering item of heritage, and should be restored and used for light rail, pedestrian and cycle access. Stop storage of power boats and power boats creating wash, as this threatens the rowers and dragon boats, traditional users of the bays.
Comment 13 24 Jul 2009, 12:23 PM
i would like to see a development similar to the corso in Manly, and the rest developed into parkland. This means lots of small developments, not one developer doing the whole lot!
